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    Our story today is a mix of emotions. Many in the Piedmont continue to know the name Michael Hayes, nearly 20 years after his shooting spree and his not guilty by reason of insanity verdict.   

      Anger, disgust, and fear is still felt on the part of the families whose loved ones were taken away during Michael Hayes shooting spree in 1988. But in talking with those at Dorthea Dix they feel confident and obviously compassionate about their work in trying to heal the mentally ill.  Two very different yet understandable sides.

       While hospital officials could not talk specifically about Hayes, we were able to confirm through his employer, his role in the "Reintegration Through Work" Program.  A theraputic program that allows mentally ill patients of all backgrounds the opportunity to obtain a job and reintegrate themselves back into society.  Doctors say the patients have years of counseling, have been found not to be of any threat, and deserve the chance to complete the healing process. One of the last steps is getting a job, holding responsibility. Federal law protects the patients privacy, employers often don't know why the person is in the program, co-workers don't know their past. Doctors say that's all in an effort to help them heal, a right all patients have.

    But those that have been touched by these people, people like Michael Hayes are outraged to learn mental patients are allowed to work in the community, allowed to drive themselves to and from the hospital, allowed to interact with people who know nothing about their past. Family members feel Michael and patients like him do not deserve to be in such a program.  After the Virginia Tech shootings, many worry about the judgements of our mental health system. 

  Bottom line, any human can understand the anger and fear pointed toward Michael.  I certainly understand the family's feelings. But with that said, anyone who has been around the truely mentally ill knows they don't choose their condition and do deserve a chance to be healed. As a reporter, keeping the balance on this one...was tough!

   What do you think? How do you feel?  If you were a customer at Hayes' store, how comfortable would you feel knowing what he did?  Do those who've been charged with such violent crimes deserve to be released back into society?  What about the mentally ill, do they deserve a chance to heal? Do you think mental illness can be healed? Did Michael deserve to be let go from his job?   

    Let me know what your feelings are....it's a tough one!

 

  

 

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yaiyaidsp
Apr 25, 2007 | 9:18 PM

I don't understand why this guy isn't in prison for life. he is a murderer. I remembered when this happened. the law should be held accountable as well bexause his family had tried to get them to arrest him or commit him because they feared he'd do this and they wouldn't do nothing until he'd already killed those people!
BUt he should have never been allowed to marry in that facility to a woman that killed herself and even have kids!!
I feel sorry for his parents ect because they have to live with what their son did and suffer also. But he should never be set free!

bambuzzeled
Apr 25, 2007 | 9:20 PM

I think it is just insane to let a man who took four lives to be out in the streets among other people. When he killed he stated he was haveing and episode so what keeps him from having another one. If he was insane to keep him from going to jail, my question is how is capable of holding a job down? It is not fair for someone to have a life after they have taken someone elses.

hotrodd69
Apr 26, 2007 | 7:20 AM

he should have to pay for what he did he isn;t any better then charles mansion. He killed one of my best friends in high school and still today i hateto hear his name. he needs to go to prision and then be put on death row. hayes doesnt deserve another chance my friend isn;t getting one.

seaangelrainqueen read my blog view my photos
Apr 26, 2007 | 7:30 AM

He is now considered "mentally sane", therefore, he should serve the sentence that a murderer of 4 people, should serve. Why should he enjoy freedom now, after being "rehabilitated" or declared "mentally sane"? There are many repeat offenders of the penal system, so what makes it any less likely that he will do it again? HE DECIDED TO TAKE THE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL THAT MADE HIM "HEAR" DEMONS THAT SAID TO SHOOT THESE INNOCENT LIVES THAT NIGHT. If the court then thought he was "guilty" by reason of insanity, then now he should be considered "guilty" by reason of his sanity. He should not be allowed to re-enter society in any way, form, or fashion. His victims cannot, so why should he?

homeschoolmom read my blog view my photos
Apr 26, 2007 | 7:40 AM

I agree this man should not be free to work out among society. There is always the chance he could do this again. He killed people and he should have aleast gotten life without parole!

RUDY101
Apr 26, 2007 | 7:49 AM

I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WOULD BE ANGRY,BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYONE WITH THE "MENTAL"TERM.HE DID A HORRIBLE THING AND SHOULD PAY FOR IT.THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT CLAIM THEY HAVE A MENTAL PROBLEM & DON'T,BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO REALLY DO HAVE A PROBLEM AND HAVEN'T COMMITTED A CRIME,&DON'T GET THE HELP THEY NEED.I THINK THAT DOING AWAY WITH THE "GUILTY,BY REASON OF INSANITY"WOULD BE INSANE.THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT THE "MENTAL HEALTH" SYSTEM HAS IGNORED&NOT GOT THEM HELP.THAT IS A TRADEGY!HE IS 1 PERSON THAT DID A HORRIBLE THING,DON'T PUT EVERY PERSON WITH A MENTAL PROBLEM IN HIS CATEGORY!

kristabelle
Apr 26, 2007 | 7:53 AM

This is an outrage and a slap in the victims famlies faces
This man who druged himself up then picked up a gun went out and shoots 4 innocent people that had done nothing wrong just riding down the road minding thier own business
He was not concerned about who they were their age or anything he knew nothing about these poor souls
Yet he did not think twice about pulling that trigger again and again
he should have benn found guilty and put to death the same way his victims died
and they should have let the families be the ones who pulled the trigger
the insanity p[lea needs to be done awat with all together
NC does not allow a self defence plea so why a insaity plea?
The goverment needs to get off their high horses and step in and stop this out rage
put the man to death let these familes have closer instead of punishing them for this mans crimes by the way to the jurors who came to the judgement that they did and found him not guilty by reason of insainty
I hope that some of you read this
How can they sleep of a night knowing that YOU MADE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN HISTORY AND NOW INNOCENT FAMILIES HAVE TO SUFFER EVEN MORE DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU WERE TO STUPID TO FIND A GUILTY VERDICT AND AND SENTENCE HIM TO DEATH LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE GOD WILL MAKE YOU PAY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE
YOU SHOLUD HAVE TO PULL TIME TO FOR THE VERDICT ALONE
YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN IN THAT COURT ROOM YOU DID NO ONE ANY GOOD JUST HARM
I HOPE YOUR SOULS BURN FIREVER AND THAT HAYS IS STANDING BESIDE YOU THROUGH ETERNITY IN THE FIREY PIT THAT IS WHAT YOU D

bepm1965
Apr 26, 2007 | 11:30 AM

This man was sick back in 1988 , do you people think all these Doctors at Dorthea Dix Hospital do'nt know what thay are doing ? I never heard the name Michael Hayes until this happen and i remember it well . I remember that his family tried to get him help and was told to come back tomorrow ,it was Sunday and Mental Health was closed . So if you want to blame someone , blame Forsyth County . While he was on that shooting spree Davidson County and Forsyth County Sheriff was looking on and did NOTHING .if you want to blame someone blame tham . All i know it is going to be a sad day for all these Families if thay don't learn to forgive . If God can forgive us for all we have done then we have to for him. I know what you're thinkng ,I'm insane too. Well in 1987 on Chistmas Eve around 7:00 PM my beloved sister was shoot down in the steet like a dog . You can check this out her name was Sarah Helen Hall and This happen in Rowan County . I have forgiving this man a long time ago and if you want peace mind let the FATHER handle it . He has a reason for everything . May God give you peace , Bess Moorefied

seaangelrainqueen read my blog view my photos
Apr 26, 2007 | 12:24 PM

Forgiveness has nothing to do with a person not accepting the punishment for their actions! We can forgive, the victims' families can forgive, and God can forgive, but that doesn't change that a person should receive punishment for violent crimes. If forgiveness was the answer, there would be no one in prison. When a person steals your car, you're supposed to just say "I'm forgiving you for this, just as God will, so go your own way now"? Or, "You raped my wife or child, I forgive you, now you can go on with your life without repercussions"? I DON'T THINK SO, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JUDGING THE MAN OR FORGIVING HIM. He did a violent crime, our prisons are full of criminals because that's the result of criminal behavior.

Missya
Apr 26, 2007 | 1:18 PM

I was not living in the area when Michael Hayes did the unthinkable. But I am a mother of a son who made a mistake in 2004. He has paid for his crime and is trying to move on. What upset me about this individual being out and having a job was not just about a person who killed 4 people being allowed to have any type of life on the outside, but was also about the hard times my son has been having in simply trying to find a job so that he can move forward - how can there be programs out there for people like Michael Hayes and not any programs for individuals who simply had a moment of stupidity and are trying to move foward? I agree that every illegal action should have a repercussion, but what is the sense in releasing prisoners when the outside world makes it next to impossible for them to try to start over and do the right things.

Thankfully in my son's case, he has a loving family who are able to help support him until someone gives him a chance.

May God be with the families affected by Michael Hayes actions 20 years ago - I can't imagine the heartbreak you have already gone through.

secreterri read my blog
Apr 26, 2007 | 1:25 PM

Plain and simple. I remember the day like it was last week. I did not know anyone involved, and I only heard what was televised and in the newspaper. However, I will NEVER forget the sheer terror that came over me at the mention of Michael Hayes name. I will never forget the description of how he slaughtered these people, in front of their family, their young children. Those innocent lives were shattered.
My opinion is that anyone who kills another human is "crazy" to some degree, but that does not excuse or erase the damage they have done. This man could go off again. Maybe not. But I DO NOT want to take the chance of him doing the same thing again. I DO NOT want him let loose to walk the streets. My children were very young when this happened, and now as adults, they are on their own. I do not want to have the chance that some "rehabilitated" insane person is let go, and harms one of my own.
For heaven's sake, there is plenty of meanness and crime being committed now. If we manage to get some of the criminals ("insane" or not) locked up, keep them there!

Missya
Apr 26, 2007 | 1:42 PM

wow secreterri - I agreed with everything you said until your last sentence - People who do wrong things and do their time, should be given the chance to have a life after they serve. Again, being a mom of someone who made a mistake, I want my son to have a chance. His crime was not violent, he was just NOT THINKING. So for me to agree with your thinking that all criminals who are locked up should stay there is not right thinking either.

I guess you wouldn't understand that unless you've gone through something like my family has gone through. There is a HUGE difference between a confused 19 yr old kid who did stupid things and someone who goes out and kills 4 innocent people.

Please don't group all indidivuals into one category - there are circumstances and differing situations in everyone's lives.

seaangelrainqueen read my blog view my photos
Apr 26, 2007 | 2:10 PM

Missya, I can understand your point. But I believe (and it's just my guess) that most of these comments are directed at people who have committed murder, child molesters,etc. I don't think that we(or at least not I) are referring to ALL crimes, (some things are so ridiculous that people are put in jail for, I just don't have words for it), but we are focusing right now on Hayes' murder spree, especially finding this out so soon after the VT tragedy. I have no problem with rehabilitating someone who has done a petty crime, and helping them get re-established into society. IT'S PEOPLE WHO TAKE OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES OR A CHILD'S INNOCENCE AWAY THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM BEING ON THE STREETS. I hope the best for your son, and if he sincerely wants to keep his life straight, then may God Bless him and I hope he gets help in anyway possible. God Bless.

Missya
Apr 26, 2007 | 2:25 PM

Thank you Seaangel :)

I understood what the topic was about - just was so upset when I heard they had let this guy out after his crimes - Thank you again for your kind words - my son will get where he wants to go because he's got a strong faith and a loving family who are standing behind him.

Again - Prayers to the families of those affected by Michael Hayes - I can't imagine what you have gone through and still go through

secreterri read my blog
Apr 26, 2007 | 2:59 PM

Missya,
I was referring to the violent criminals, but was negligent to state that. Just as there are a lot of violent people running around loose, there are probably more that are in prisons for a much lesser violation. There are the Darryl Hunts, who was locked up and innocent for YEARS! My statement is that with all the VIOLENT and insane that are out, lets keep the ones who are violent and insane and CAUGHT, locked up.
I hope you understand more now. I do not in any way feel that everyone who is arrested and sentenced should be locked up forever. You have no way of knowing what my situation is, or what my own children have done. They have not ever been arrested, however I do not believe that makes my family superior to others. There but for the grace of God, go I.
I say that if someone who has a lapse in judgement, is sentenced and does his time, he should be given every opportunity to achieve his goals in life. I wish your son the best.
I hope you understand more of what I said now.

layzs01
Apr 26, 2007 | 4:20 PM

I remember the night this happened like it was yesterday. Everytime I come up to someone in the road at night I flash back to Michael Hayes waving people down and shooting at them. If I ever were to see someone acting like they needed help I do not know if I would stop or turn around as soon as possible and get away. It is awful that you cannot trust people because the events of that night will never leave your mind. What about everything that Michael Hayes has done while in Dorthea Dix that was revealed? Didn't he get caught with a female patient in a stairwell, marry while incarcerated there and to my recollection father a child? Why would anyone in there right mind who remembers what he did and knows the facts ever believe that this man is not a danger or threat?

jacquie1174
Apr 26, 2007 | 4:59 PM

Although mental illness certainly exists & maybe there is a place for the insanity defense somewhere in our twisted legal system...The fact is, evaluations as to whether or not a person is insane at the time of their crime are not foolproof. Psychologists & psychiatrists do their best, but in the end, all they can do is review the evidence, talk to the person (who may or may not be telling the truth) and render an "expert opinion." But in the end, all it is, is an opinion. And given a different jury/judge, on a different day, the verdict may have been completely different. The subjective nature of these decisions is concerning to say the least. I think there needs to be a complete overhaul of the laws in this area, as well as the mental health treatment rendered in this country. There are plenty of people that need help and can't get it, and then you have the leaches in society that fake symptoms in order to get their "crazy check" or to get out of a crime, and in my opinion, Michael Hayes was doped up out of his mind that night, but not suffering a true mental illness. Should he remain locked up, heck yeah...I don't care whether he is considered sane and properly treated or not...a change in the law so that a person in that case could then be sent to prison would be the best thing and would save the state a ton of money too. The cost of housing Michael Hayes in a psychiatric facility per year, I believe is about 4x the cost of sending him to prison.

Pelekan1
Sep 20, 2007 | 3:58 PM

Let's not also forget Michael's parents tried to get him in a Forsyth County hospital and called the police/sheriff and as i remember the stories that week his parents were told to wait until Monday. Think about that next time they close or downsize help for mental health. it's a damn shame in the richest country in the world when soem parents ask for help for their child they get told something like this. i have a feeling it may never be safe for him to me on the loose now. what i do wish is we would stop being stupid about mental health and how we deal with it. send him back to a state hospital and make those NC State hospitals the best in the world so other people will talk about how great we are.

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Yes, in case you can't tell, I am from the South! I'm originally from Davie County, grew up in the area and feel lucky to be back home. I have worked at FOX8 for 9 years as the Winston-Salem Bureau Chief and helped manage our partnership with the Winston-Salem Journal. Before coming to FOX8 I worked at ABC/WPDE in Myrtle Beach. While I like the beach, I love the mountains. I graduated from App State, the three time National Football Champions! I have two dogs, Jake a Golden Retriever and Sydney a Siberian Husky. I love college sports and am the head cheer coach at Wake Forest.

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