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A QUESTION FOR POLITICALLY MINDED CHRISTIANS....
Mar 2, 2008 | 3:18 AM
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I am an agnostic with friends that are Christian, Muslim & Jewish.   I have spent much time discussing politics with them and enjoying both the difference in thier views & the similarities between their views.   I am also a realist, THERE ARE EXTREMISTS IN THE MUSLIM WORLD WHO WISH TO HARM AMERICA.   That is not to say that every muslim is a terrorist.   Not that you would know that to read some of the blogs I've seen here.

Over the past few months while blogging on this site, I have been amazed at the hatred, fear & venom directed towards Muslims and Senator Obama (WHO IS NOT A MUSLIM) by many of the regular bloggers.   They print incredible lies (that are easily disproved by a google search) and make wild accusations with no regard to the truth of the statement.   What is even more amazing is that when I go to thier bio page to see what type of person it is who makes these unproved accusations, it seems to always read something like, "I'm a mother of three, who loves to knit and teach Sunday School.   God is the most important part of my life and I have two cats & a dog named MUFFINS"     

Now I know that all Christians are not like this, but how do some "Christians" manage to blend this hatred with thier spirtual life so easily?    Was there a verse that I missed in between "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy" and "Blessed are the peacemakers:  for they shall be called the children of God".     Some unknown verse that gives a blessing to hatred & fear?

They have no problem with making any statment no matter how inaccurate it might be and passing these unproved rumors on to others as if they were straight from the gospels.    I read in Mathew 12:36-37   "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.  For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned"    So how do these good "Christians" justify the rumors, lies & gossip that they spread?   Or does this particular verse not apply to them?

They love to point thier finger & condemn the actions of others.   "Senator Obama is a godless muslim who fakes his Christianity at a radical & racist church."    According to Sen. Obama, he was an athiest who started going to church because the church is where you go to organize community action on the South Side of Chicago.   He "claims" that while there he found God & has been a Christian ever since.   I don't know if he is telling the truth or not, though I personally have no reason to doubt....it just seems like a question that needs to be answered between the Senator & God.   

What I don't understand is how do so many people judge his relationship with Christ and then become angry if you try to do the same to them.   "Only God can judge me!", I've been told numerous times.   And I agree, only God can judge you; but that raises the ugly question of "Why do you have the right to judge the Senator's relationship with God?"  (Or anyone elses relationship with God, for that matter.)  Didn't Paul have a similar problem with the Corinthians after he was "blinded by the light".   And if you can easily believe the story of how Paul found salvation, why is it so hard to believe that God can be found in an weird church in a bad neighborhood on Chicago's South Side?

So the question boils down to this:   AS A CHRISTIAN, HOW DO YOU RECONCILE YOUR ACTIONS WITH WHAT YOU TEACH YOUR CHILDREN?   (Or do you teach your children to hate too?)

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TheLaw read my blog
Mar 12, 2008 | 5:56 PM

First, your "question" is not really a question. It is a statement. Given the content of your post, the question is really making a statement that "Christians cannot reconcile their actions with what they teach their children."

Second, your "question" assumes that all Christians are making these baseless accusations, which, I will tell you, they are not.

Third, hypocrisy is present in every faith and non-faith. That is, even those who consider themselves "moral", but not religious, break their own rules at times. Rule breaking is a form of hypocrisy.

If I was you, I would ignore what other people say and look to what Jesus has to say.

Publius
Confianza
Mar 14, 2008 | 2:25 AM

Wow, what anger and all over religion. Wonder what God, Allah, Buddha, Mohammad, Wankan Tanka, Great Spirit, Christ, Jesus, Holly Father, Big Brother, Great Mystery, Creator or what ever you want to call the Great Devinne of the Universe would think about all this.
Yes, breaking rules are a form of hypocrisy; especially if one is commissioned to uphold the rules, so are words spoken or written of promises that aren't intended to be kept. We are taught as children to look up to our leaders; spiritual or not, they are great and powerful, they will protect us. Look around, that power is being grossly abused and we the people are suffering for it.
There is too much hatred in our society over religion, race, culture, national origin, spiritual beliefs, money, gender, and even age. If there are all these prophecies warning us about war, destruction and society braking down you would think that as intelligent human beings we could figure out how to avoid it and turn it around bfore it is too late. A start would be to make peace with ourselves as well as others and prevent all these prophecies from coming true. But no, we are walking right into all the mess with our minds closed, eyes wide open and guns drawn. And, we are considered the most intelligent species on this earth? Yeah right! I seen on the news about a dolphin that helped rescue killer whales; Animals appear to have more brains and compassion then humans.
I've been told by alleged Christians that I am evil and going to hell because I don't believe as they do. Just the other night we went out to dinner with some fr
Confianza
Mar 14, 2008 | 3:09 AM

iends and their relatives, who are Christian, and a comment was made about the Mexicans coming into this country and not paying taxes and this person said that they wouldn't think twice about shooting them, he can't stand them. My husband and I just ignored it, it was hurtful, but we didn't react to it. I've seen my grandchildren being looked at with disgust; they are dark skinned, cole black hair and very beautiful, inside and out. My husband and I had to explain to them about these things and how people are in our world when we were out one night and a table full of people were talking about "those Mexicans." Our grandson looked perplexed and asked "why are they talking about us that way?" Our relatives are Mexican, Native American and they work extremely hard and do pay taxes. I read an article in AARP the other day about how Native Americans have to prove they are Americans. What!!! Hasn't enough hardship been done to them in the name of progress. They've literally had Christianity forced on them; do they riot, burn their neighborhoods down, shooting or stabbing each other and get away with it?
It appears that religion is used as a crutch and a means of manipulation. It appears to help those who have done wrong fell better about themselves, not caring how the person who was wronged feels. What these people don't understand is that if they need to turn to religion to make themselves feel better when they have done wrong then maybe they should stop doing wrong so they wouldn't need a crutch and stop using religion to manipulate and oppress. The Bible is not very differe
Confianza
Mar 14, 2008 | 3:31 AM

ent from the Koran. It's people that make it different, just like with the Bible; some take the good from it and some take the bad and misrepresent it and twist the message.
Judge not, least thee be judged.
TheLaw read my blog
Mar 14, 2008 | 11:38 AM

Those posts contained whole a lot of words, but almost no substance. There is an inherent flaw in everything that you have written. God is perfect, his followers are not. So when you start to make judgments about a religion, based on its followers, rather than the author, you make a critical mistake.
nemokc read my blog
Mar 15, 2008 | 9:55 AM

TheLaw:

I will grant you that "God is perfect", I may or may not believe it, but I will grant you that point. It still does not address my point, which is that there are many people who claim to be christian who are not acting like christians!

I also do not claim that ALL christians act this way. If you will notice, I mention that I have a great many Christian friends. They would never dream of making some of the statements that I have heard others say.

I even agree that you will find hypocrisy in all religions & even those who don't claim a religion.

I am making no generalized statement against Christianity...I am questioning the motives & beliefs of the few Christians who preach hate instead of love. (For the sake of fairness, we can include the Rev. Wright in this category if you like)

I simply wonder how a person takes a kid to church, tells him "Jesus loves him" and in the same breath says that we should kill all the muslims before they kill us!"

If I were to make a generalized statement it would be that the people who scream the most hatred against Muslims tend to be conservative Christians & I was just curious how they rationalize thier actions.
Shakespeare
Mar 16, 2008 | 2:25 PM

Kill all the Muslims before they kill us.
nemokc read my blog
Mar 17, 2008 | 2:19 AM

Shakespeare:

There are over 1.3 BILLION followers of Islam world-wide….that is a lot of people to kill.

There are 7 million followers of Islam in the US….you would think if ALL Muslims wanted to kill us, there would be more attacks than there have been.

There are over 20,000 Muslim-Americans who serve in the Armed Forces….they serve with honor, are they less of Americans than their fellow soldiers?

The world is a scary place with very real dangers. It is important that as a country we begin to realize that not every Muslim is a terrorist. We must deal with the dangers of the terrorist, but it does not make us safer to react with fear and hatred to our prejudices instead of our REAL dangers.

I find it sad that so much of the hatred finds its way into the public discussion under the guise of religion. I am very aware that most Christians to do not hate Muslims, but a great deal of the most inflammatory statements are coming from Christians.
Shakespeare
Mar 17, 2008 | 7:10 AM

Islam is a religion fronted by a demon. You would do well to recognize that.
TheLaw read my blog
Mar 19, 2008 | 3:06 PM

Nemokc -

I cannot possibly tell you what is at the heart of many Christians who do and say non-Christian things. They are hypocrites. Your anger/irritation, whatever you want to call it, seems to me, to be a matter of degree. That is, these people you make the subject of your post are more of a hypocrite than you would otherwise look past.

What I can tell you is that regardless of their flaws, if they truly believe in Jesus, they will see heaven. On the other hand, those "good" people who do not trust Jesus will not see heaven, though I'm sure there are probably exceptions (not based on goodness, but probably opportunity to hear and believe).
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