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by seaangelrainqueen from Mebane, NC

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Okay, I'm taking on a subject that HSM brought up that I too have had to deal with in my lifetime.  We, as parents, are "responsible" for our children and their actions until they reach the age of 18.  I came across this dilemma in a hospital, when my then 17 year old daughter was being "cooerced" into signing a "consent form", in which she looked to me for "guidance".  She was told that "I had nothing to do with it", and I reminded them that she was under 18, and was told that it didn't matter.  HSM brought up a situation with a college in which she encountered the same problem.  Okay, then,  NC,  if we as parents are responsible for our children until they are 18 years old, why is it "different" in some situations, depending on the outcome that is wanted?  When does the "responsibility of the parent" change from being responsible until 18, and when will someone tell us the situation has changed, except when we are "smacked in the face" with it by someone else?
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homeschoolmom read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 9:17 AM

This is a very good question. Like you said, I had mentioned before about my daughter and her taking some classes at a community college. She is only 17. She had to sign a paper giving them permission to contact us if there were any problems with her grades or behavior at the college. If she did not sign, which she did without hesitation, they would not contact us about anything and we would get no information if we contacted them. I recently took my 14 year old son to get a Tet. shot. When my kids were little, our insurance did not cover immunizations, so we went to the health department for those. Even though our insurance covers immunizations now, I just took him back there because it was only 1 shot and they had all his shot records. When I called to make the appointment, the lady asked why my son could not call and make the appointment himself. I told her he was only 14. He can't even drive himself, but she wanted him to make the appointment. Then before he got his shot, they had him sign for it, not me! Again, he is only 14. That will be our last visit there. Now that insurance pays for shots, there is no need for us to go there anyway. The doctor's offices don't seem to have this procedure. The parent seems to still be in charge, atleast where we go. It seems to have something to do with government owned places. They obviously are not ready to inform us that we are losing our parental rights early. This definitely needs to be investigated!

seaangelrainqueen read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 9:51 AM

Yes, I know exactly what you mean, HSM, and I waited to see if you would make a post about this (I don't like "taking other people's ideas), but I agreed with what you said. My daughter was in the hospital, and when she looked to me about signing the "consent form", and they told her that I had "no say about it", I reminded them that she was underage. They told me that it didn't matter. Well, if it doesn't "matter" for something as important as a hospital procedure, then why is it important enough that if our child under the age of 18 were to get in trouble, we would be held responsible? Where do they "draw the lines", that's what I want to know.

Billy read my blog
Jun 27, 2007 | 9:57 AM

IMO it is one more small step in the direction of socialism. One more of our rights being softened or lessened so that government and not us makes the calls on what can and cannot happen.

I admit I am as guilty of the next of not speaking against things like this when the occur so I cannot run my mouth too much, but I am against any proceedure/law/? the takes choices away and places them in the hands of government agencys.

seaangelrainqueen read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 10:05 AM

So, is this the answer, as long as the "government" has something to do with it, then the answer is "wishy-washy"? The hospital that I had my daughter at was a "university hospital", so did the government really have authority over their actions? I am an RN, and I had never heard of someone "underage" being allowed to sign a "consent to procedure" form. If the "government" is the problem in this, then I say someone had better "change the age of legal consent" LEGALLY, and not just "per case".

homeschoolmom read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 11:09 AM

I guess they can wait until or kids are old enough to get a good job to get paid for their services too!

Billy read my blog
Jun 27, 2007 | 12:08 PM

Seaangle, does the University get tax dollars? If yes then the gov't does tell them how and what to a large extent. I do not agree with it but I do feel that us as a whole by standing by have allowed it to happen.

Homeschool, good point. If the child signs how do they hold you accountable for the charges?

seaangelrainqueen read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 12:10 PM

You are right HSM, everything seems to be "money, money, money, money...".

seaangelrainqueen read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 2:08 PM

Billy, your right, and that's the point, a person under the age of 18 cannot legally enter into a contractual agreement, so how do they expect the money to be paid? I'll tell you in the case of the University and my daughter, I got the bill! So we, as their parents are "financially responsible" and "legally responsible" but cannot "advise" them as to their actions. It sounds a little "warped" to me! But, then again, I'm only a citizen.

seaangelrainqueen read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 3:26 PM

And, may I add again, if a person who is "under the age of 18" cannot enter into a contractual agreement, then how is the "consent form" signed by them "legal" in the eyes of the law, or a court, in itself?

goharvick1 read my blog view my photos
Jun 28, 2007 | 2:59 PM

is it just me or does it seem that the government is becoming more communist every day? before you know it they'll be tellin us where and when we can pray and who too.... oh wait they already do that huh?

seaangelrainqueen read my blog view my photos
Jun 29, 2007 | 6:46 AM

You've got that right, goharvick! My point is this, I remember the young girl that was on Fox8 news a good while back, that her mother was "sent to jail" for 30 days, because her daughter wasn't keeping the "school/state attendance policy" and the girl's reason was that people at school made her life "miserable" by calling her "fat". When they showed the report, the young lady was in tears, saying that she would go back to school, and put up with the abuse, if they would just let her mother come home. So, that means that mother was "responsible for her daughter's actions", and was sent to jail for them. Now, we encounter places all the time that tell us, as parents, that "we have nothing to do with our child", when it comes to "their" policy. Okay, I say someone needs to "pony up" and decide, are we responsible for our children until they are 18, or not. These "cases" of "in-between" don't cut it with me, either I am, or I'm not responsible for them. As I may have said earlier, "we" are held responsible if they do something wrong, yet we are not responsible about a "medical procedure" or "things that happen at school"? Someone needs to make up their mind, quit "straddling the fence", and make it either ALL ONE WAY or ALL THE OTHER WAY, no in-betweens to get confused by.

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Hi, I'm a 46 yr. old mother of 4, widowed since 1995, so most of my children are grown. I have a fiance of 6 yrs., lots of grandchildren, 1 boy and 3 girls, plus 1 grand-pug. I LOVE the ocean (esp. Atlantic Beach, NC..God's country). I am an avid if not crazy Carolina Panthers fan and live to see football season so I can see them play. I'm a currently disabled Registered Nurse although I plan to go back to work when I am well. I love music (Go Chris Daughtry) from Counting Crows to Carrie Underwood, Trace Adkins, etc. (very flexible). You kind of have to be with teens in the house. Fox 8 seems like a second family to me esp. Brad and Cindy, since I lived in Danville, VA at one time. So I hope any responses I have are informative and hold your interest. I'm also an animal lover of all kinds.

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